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AMERICAN JUNGLE on the HISTORY CHANNEL today Nov. 10 at 5pm
RUSTYBOAR.COM Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:44 pm
TODAY IS THE DAY...AMERICAN JUNGLE premieres on the HISTORY CHANNEL today Nov. 10 at 5PM HAWAII TIME. SET YOUR DVR`S and get ready to see a hunting show like no other.
How the show become...
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawaii-hunters-make-history-channel/123
tribune herald
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/local-news/big-island-hunters-featured-discovery-channel.html
Huffington post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/american-jungle-hawaii_n_4180022.html
history website below...get the scoops...
http://www.history.com/shows/american-jungle
How the show become...
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawaii-hunters-make-history-channel/123
tribune herald
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/local-news/big-island-hunters-featured-discovery-channel.html
Huffington post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/american-jungle-hawaii_n_4180022.html
history website below...get the scoops...
http://www.history.com/shows/american-jungle
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Re: AMERICAN JUNGLE on the HISTORY CHANNEL today Nov. 10 at 5pm
hunters6262 Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:24 pm
TJ u know that some of this show is fake n it's being Hollywood n not real to what we know . Sad we didn't get shown what Hawaii really is , EVERYTIME money is more important just like money is taking our hunting lands .Joe Griffitbs
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Re: AMERICAN JUNGLE on the HISTORY CHANNEL today Nov. 10 at 5pm
hunters6262 Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:55 pm
TJ u know that some of this show is fake n it's being Hollywood n not real to what we know . Sad we didn't get shown what Hawaii really is , EVERYTIME money is more important just like money is taking our hunting lands .Joe Griffiths
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A Drean Come True
huntaz only Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:10 am
Just wanted to say awesome job Tj and the history channel ,and ,to all the hunters out there, Bringing hunting in Hawaii to the big screen,I remember it was a dream my brother in law, Eric Sawchuck, was trying hard to get things going, which cost him his life.
American Jungle is a dream come true for all of us, Aloha to all the Huntaz out there ,long live Blue Mountain Huntaz
American Jungle is a dream come true for all of us, Aloha to all the Huntaz out there ,long live Blue Mountain Huntaz
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Re: AMERICAN JUNGLE on the HISTORY CHANNEL today Nov. 10 at 5pm
KVB Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:26 am
It's an interesting discussion regarding the series. I have my own reservations first off in regards to the name of the show, but that comes from a political perspective which takes into consideration that the Hawaiian archipelago or what we know as the Hawaiian Island chain is the Northern point in the Polynesian Triangle if it can be called that, with Rapa Nui on one end, and Aotearoa on the other. Imagaine a hunting show, if shot in Tahiti being called the French Jungle. It somehow, at least for me, doesn't sound right. It's like calling the continental United States "the mainland". There's quite a few thousand miles between the West Coast of that continent and where we are, and for many years now, many Hawaiians have decolonized their thinking, saying, "No, this is the mainland [Hawai'i] and over there is "da continent". I think it takes into consideration or at least reflects a certain allegiance to Hawai'i as a remote and once sovereign nation state that has had a sad history of which in certain quarters, the quest for justice and the full restoration of sovereignty is being pursued diligently and with great determination in spite of it being a long drawn out process which will culminate at the highest level of international law, beyond state and America's domestic legal jurisprudence.
I understand first off that this is a "reality show", a blend of fact and fiction and is driven by the goals of attracting a viewership that will be large enough to earn a decent ratings thus making advertising dollars in the creation of commercial advertisement a feasible thing. Bullshit shows like DOG: The Bounty Hunter, a show that depicts the racist view that somehow brown people ought to be thrown in jail after being successfully hunted down by white people. No wonder, guys in Papakolea kicked some major butt responding to the rude intrusion into their Native space by camera wielding crews and their crater faced hero, the Dog Chapman. But this isn't so much about the dog, or a show brandishing the "AMERICAN" title.
I think its about us being able to tell our own story. To own our own stories and to choose how we are to be portrayed in the world of celluloid or film.
Again, this goes back to this being a reality show. Like Survivor with dogs and knives. I read some of the articles that TJ posted and did come across a statement where it was said that the executives didn't go for some of the stuff he had proposed to doing. Which is sad, we get to be like some hula halaus, dance for dollars, jump through hoops for the dime, a dollar and a shot of gaining some sort of recognition for our sport or notoriety in the communities where we dwell.
I'm not against acting in one of these things so I don't have anything against the braddahs that are in the series. I once had a part as an extra but got cut short of a speaking role because one of the directors taught they'd save money with me keeping my mouth shut. I was the referee in the chicken fight scene in a flick called ONE KINE DAY. It was some bullshit story about some kid that ended up ripping off some pakalolo and having to deal with whatever happens when you do stupid things like that.
I just wanted to share these comments, not as sharp criticism but to broaden our thinking and hopefully elevate our esteem as to how we see our selves as hunters in a special place. Believe me, we can tell our own stories better than anyone else can. We may have not had a chance to do that this time around, but I think we should or at least begin to consider doing so somewhere down the road.
I understand first off that this is a "reality show", a blend of fact and fiction and is driven by the goals of attracting a viewership that will be large enough to earn a decent ratings thus making advertising dollars in the creation of commercial advertisement a feasible thing. Bullshit shows like DOG: The Bounty Hunter, a show that depicts the racist view that somehow brown people ought to be thrown in jail after being successfully hunted down by white people. No wonder, guys in Papakolea kicked some major butt responding to the rude intrusion into their Native space by camera wielding crews and their crater faced hero, the Dog Chapman. But this isn't so much about the dog, or a show brandishing the "AMERICAN" title.
I think its about us being able to tell our own story. To own our own stories and to choose how we are to be portrayed in the world of celluloid or film.
Again, this goes back to this being a reality show. Like Survivor with dogs and knives. I read some of the articles that TJ posted and did come across a statement where it was said that the executives didn't go for some of the stuff he had proposed to doing. Which is sad, we get to be like some hula halaus, dance for dollars, jump through hoops for the dime, a dollar and a shot of gaining some sort of recognition for our sport or notoriety in the communities where we dwell.
I'm not against acting in one of these things so I don't have anything against the braddahs that are in the series. I once had a part as an extra but got cut short of a speaking role because one of the directors taught they'd save money with me keeping my mouth shut. I was the referee in the chicken fight scene in a flick called ONE KINE DAY. It was some bullshit story about some kid that ended up ripping off some pakalolo and having to deal with whatever happens when you do stupid things like that.
I just wanted to share these comments, not as sharp criticism but to broaden our thinking and hopefully elevate our esteem as to how we see our selves as hunters in a special place. Believe me, we can tell our own stories better than anyone else can. We may have not had a chance to do that this time around, but I think we should or at least begin to consider doing so somewhere down the road.
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Re: AMERICAN JUNGLE on the HISTORY CHANNEL today Nov. 10 at 5pm
RUSTYBOAR.COM Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:39 am
I can no longer be silent. I’ve been informed that the State of Hawaii Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) has made a statement regarding the show “American Jungle”. The press release alleges that the show is “inaccurate, offensive, and in some cases, potentially illegal”.
Let me get straight to the point of being “inaccurate.” This is a television show not a documentary. Television shows have fictional and non-fictional elements to them. “American Jungle” was considered more of a reality show because these are not actors and they are not reading from a script. If the show was meant to be an accurate depiction of hunting in Hawaii, we would have created a documentary. If the DLNR believes that the show is “inaccurate” then I believe they’ve answered their own question about “American Jungle” just being a television show. Like the show Hawaii 5-0, I don’t believe this is how police procedures are done in the State of Hawaii because I know it’s just a show.
Second, what is “offensive” is that DLNR has made a press release placing false allegations on A&E and History Channel without making any contact with the network. I have been informed by the network that no one from the DLNR had contacted them prior to making the press release to clear up any inaccurate or illegal issues. DLNR claims that “filming may have occurred on private land, the maps depicted in the show clearly demark areas that are under DLNR’s jurisdiction.” DLNR decides to use the animated map on the television show and claims it clearly marks the areas they believed were used in filming. For those who have watched the show, it is obvious that this animated map is not drawn to scale and has no ratio measurements to pinpoint the exact locations. DLNR’s use of the animated map from the television show indicates the extent of their investigation. DLNR did not contact the network to clear the private and public land issue. Instead, they chose to use an animated map from the television show. A quick call to the network would have clarified that it was private land.
Third, since the filming is on private land, does DLNR now feel that they are going to begin regulating what can be done on private land? Their concern was that there may have been illegal hunting at night. Was DLNR on site during filming to see the time the hunt took place and if the pig was alive? Again, this is a television show, and no one from the network was contacted by DLNR to clarify if any illegal activity took place. In fact, Governor Neil Abercrombie stated, “If we discover any laws or regulations have been broken we will vigorously pursue legal and/or criminal charges.” Is this a witch hunt? How can you discover if any laws were broken when you do not contact the network and decide to do your own investigation by watching an edited television show?
Finally, and most importantly, DLNR states that the “series depicts ‘clans’ that are fighting over access trails to territorial hunting grounds that inaccurately portray restrictive access to Hawaii’s public lands, which are held in public trust for the people.” DLNR continues by stating that “the cultural insensitivity of the series is also a concern.”
But I believe the biggest and most important issue of “territorial hunting grounds” is DLNR’s plan to ban hunting within 4,800 acres of public forest located south of Hilo. This DLNR “land grab” is the biggest territory war that the hunters of the Big Island have ever faced. This “land grab” calls for installing 17 miles of fencing to keep pigs, goats and sheep out and will extend almost to the Hawaii Volcanoes National Park boundary. The area would be closed to hunting as DLNR’s way of protecting the ecosystem from invasive species. If the land is truly held in the “public trust for the people” why are you taking away these hunters rights to gather on land that has been providing food for their families for generations? You are taking away these hunting grounds like a “thief in the night.” You claim that you are concerned about “cultural insensitivity”. Where is your cultural sensitivity to these hunters as you threaten the local culture by targeting one of its traditional food sources?
DLNR is a bully taking away rights, threatening cultural livelihood and even trying to censor what can be shown on television. To this I say, long live “American Jungle” for exposing the land grab issues DLNR was trying to hide and showing how hostile Hawaii is towards the filming industry.
If I had known “American Jungle” would have received this much attention from the DLNR, I would have made an accurate documentary showing the “inaccurate, offensive, and in some cases, potentially illegal” land grab issue that threatens these Big Island hunter’s way of life. This documentary would have exposed the DLNR’s land grab as the largest territory war that hunters of the Big Island have ever faced.
Let me get straight to the point of being “inaccurate.” This is a television show not a documentary. Television shows have fictional and non-fictional elements to them. “American Jungle” was considered more of a reality show because these are not actors and they are not reading from a script. If the show was meant to be an accurate depiction of hunting in Hawaii, we would have created a documentary. If the DLNR believes that the show is “inaccurate” then I believe they’ve answered their own question about “American Jungle” just being a television show. Like the show Hawaii 5-0, I don’t believe this is how police procedures are done in the State of Hawaii because I know it’s just a show.
Second, what is “offensive” is that DLNR has made a press release placing false allegations on A&E and History Channel without making any contact with the network. I have been informed by the network that no one from the DLNR had contacted them prior to making the press release to clear up any inaccurate or illegal issues. DLNR claims that “filming may have occurred on private land, the maps depicted in the show clearly demark areas that are under DLNR’s jurisdiction.” DLNR decides to use the animated map on the television show and claims it clearly marks the areas they believed were used in filming. For those who have watched the show, it is obvious that this animated map is not drawn to scale and has no ratio measurements to pinpoint the exact locations. DLNR’s use of the animated map from the television show indicates the extent of their investigation. DLNR did not contact the network to clear the private and public land issue. Instead, they chose to use an animated map from the television show. A quick call to the network would have clarified that it was private land.
Third, since the filming is on private land, does DLNR now feel that they are going to begin regulating what can be done on private land? Their concern was that there may have been illegal hunting at night. Was DLNR on site during filming to see the time the hunt took place and if the pig was alive? Again, this is a television show, and no one from the network was contacted by DLNR to clarify if any illegal activity took place. In fact, Governor Neil Abercrombie stated, “If we discover any laws or regulations have been broken we will vigorously pursue legal and/or criminal charges.” Is this a witch hunt? How can you discover if any laws were broken when you do not contact the network and decide to do your own investigation by watching an edited television show?
Finally, and most importantly, DLNR states that the “series depicts ‘clans’ that are fighting over access trails to territorial hunting grounds that inaccurately portray restrictive access to Hawaii’s public lands, which are held in public trust for the people.” DLNR continues by stating that “the cultural insensitivity of the series is also a concern.”
But I believe the biggest and most important issue of “territorial hunting grounds” is DLNR’s plan to ban hunting within 4,800 acres of public forest located south of Hilo. This DLNR “land grab” is the biggest territory war that the hunters of the Big Island have ever faced. This “land grab” calls for installing 17 miles of fencing to keep pigs, goats and sheep out and will extend almost to the Hawaii Volcanoes National Park boundary. The area would be closed to hunting as DLNR’s way of protecting the ecosystem from invasive species. If the land is truly held in the “public trust for the people” why are you taking away these hunters rights to gather on land that has been providing food for their families for generations? You are taking away these hunting grounds like a “thief in the night.” You claim that you are concerned about “cultural insensitivity”. Where is your cultural sensitivity to these hunters as you threaten the local culture by targeting one of its traditional food sources?
DLNR is a bully taking away rights, threatening cultural livelihood and even trying to censor what can be shown on television. To this I say, long live “American Jungle” for exposing the land grab issues DLNR was trying to hide and showing how hostile Hawaii is towards the filming industry.
If I had known “American Jungle” would have received this much attention from the DLNR, I would have made an accurate documentary showing the “inaccurate, offensive, and in some cases, potentially illegal” land grab issue that threatens these Big Island hunter’s way of life. This documentary would have exposed the DLNR’s land grab as the largest territory war that hunters of the Big Island have ever faced.
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enough is enough...time to put DLNR in check
RUSTYBOAR.COM Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:54 pm
THE NATION IS LISTENING NOW....WE ALL GOTTA COME TOGETHER AND CONTACT THE NEWS. STATE YOUR CASE AND REAL ISSUES WE FACE WITH THE FENCING, LAND GRABS, ERADICATION...THEY WANT YOUR STORIES NOW.
There is more to the uproar that DLNR and Gov. Abercrombie have created by releasing a statement to the media that condemns "American Jungle." Did you know that NO ONE AT ALL contacted the History Channel to check the facts?
“Hunting serves important historical, cultural and practical roles in Hawaii,” said Gov. Neil Abercrombie.
And now I'm wondering-- why did DLNR seize 4800 acres on Mauna Kea as a "conservation" measure? Yes, DLNR allowed time for testimony, but THEY DIDN'T LET ANYONE KNOW ABOUT IT! Check the facts on that one! By the time the hunters found out about the land grab and began their sign-waving and demonstrations, it was already too late! Obviously, DLNR tried to expedite their land grab by keeping everything on the down low. Perhaps, this is just a first step as DLNR seeks to eliminate the food gathering rights of native people.
Is there something else involved here? The "American Jungle" controversy seems like a a way to deflect attention away from underhanded dealings by the DLNR, particularly the seizing of the 4800 acres on Mauna Kea. Slaughtering thousands of animals every year in their eradication campaign, leaving them for dead on the slopes of maunakea? AGAIN!! DLNR taking by force and stealing food and hunting territory from the hunters of hawaii....Speak up! Contact HAWAII NEWS NOW and ask for BRENDA SALGADO the lead story researcher who is putting together a story for the hunters of hawaii. NOW IS THE TIME!!!
There is more to the uproar that DLNR and Gov. Abercrombie have created by releasing a statement to the media that condemns "American Jungle." Did you know that NO ONE AT ALL contacted the History Channel to check the facts?
“Hunting serves important historical, cultural and practical roles in Hawaii,” said Gov. Neil Abercrombie.
And now I'm wondering-- why did DLNR seize 4800 acres on Mauna Kea as a "conservation" measure? Yes, DLNR allowed time for testimony, but THEY DIDN'T LET ANYONE KNOW ABOUT IT! Check the facts on that one! By the time the hunters found out about the land grab and began their sign-waving and demonstrations, it was already too late! Obviously, DLNR tried to expedite their land grab by keeping everything on the down low. Perhaps, this is just a first step as DLNR seeks to eliminate the food gathering rights of native people.
Is there something else involved here? The "American Jungle" controversy seems like a a way to deflect attention away from underhanded dealings by the DLNR, particularly the seizing of the 4800 acres on Mauna Kea. Slaughtering thousands of animals every year in their eradication campaign, leaving them for dead on the slopes of maunakea? AGAIN!! DLNR taking by force and stealing food and hunting territory from the hunters of hawaii....Speak up! Contact HAWAII NEWS NOW and ask for BRENDA SALGADO the lead story researcher who is putting together a story for the hunters of hawaii. NOW IS THE TIME!!!
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